========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Mon, 4 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 745 Today's Topics: Absoft Fortran FORM Kermit for the ST. MOUSE PROBLEM NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Dec 89 14:32:30 GMT From: mcsun!unido!altger!york@uunet.uu.net (york) Subject: Absoft Fortran Message-ID: <2066@altger.UUCP> I also understand your problems. Some of them may be solved by using the 'script' commando from the library manager. May be, the linker also has cuch a command. There is still no way to do it via command line options. But it is even worse. Recently I tried to impement the NAG graphics library (*only* about 350 routines). For I had impemented it before on my UN*X system, I created two one pass libaries (using the output of lorder and tsort) on my ST. The linker map told me, that no routine was missing. So I started the test program. There was neither a label, nor a loop construct in the main program, but the code managed to build up a never ending loop. Ok, I took the linker map from the ST and concatenated all modules which should be neccessary to build the program to one file. I compiled and started the program. I was somewhat surprised, that the run-time link-loader now told me, that one routine was missing. To make the long story shorter: The linker had found about 22 modules in the libraries, but additional 25 ones had to be linked to build a working program. Conclusion: The compiler of Absort Fortran may be nice, but beware of the linker. May be I 'll be using the Prospero product despite its longer compilation and linking times. Ulrich Liesenfeld s=uli; ou=analyt; ou=chemie; p=uni-bochum; a=dbp; c=de; ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 89 22:14 EST From: EDGINGTC%Wabash.Bitnet@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Subject: FORM 1. I have been reading alot of talk about this FORM program and people receiving the binaries for it. Where are people getting these binaries from? Can I get these files from bitnet? Are they at PANARTHEA? 2. I have TV Sports Football and it is GREAT!!!! I have a 1040ST and it loads and runs perfectly. This has got to be one of the best sports games I have ever played on a computer. 3. If you are into playing racing games, try out PowerDrome. It is a spaceship racing game that you race other spaceships on roller-coaster like courses. Very good/fast graphics. 4. Somebody mentioned a problem with DCFormat. Is this true? I format practically every disk using this program. 5. From what I read in ZMag about Comdex, I can't wait to get my hands on a TT, as I am getting bored waiting hours for RezRender to raytrace my pictures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ______ | ATARI IS NO. 1 | Chris Edgington | | / \ / \ | * * * | Wabash College '92 | | | | | . | * * * | (Purdue next year.) | | | | | __ | * * * | Computer Science Major | | | |/--\ |-- | |__ | ** * ** | Math Minor | | \______/ / \ / \ / \ __| | *** * *** | | | | *** * *** | edgingtc@wabash.bitnet | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 89 05:16:23 GMT From: pacbell!pbhya!dbsuther@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Daniel B. Suthers) Subject: Kermit for the ST. Message-ID: <31077@pbhya.PacBell.COM> In article <2165@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP> marc@cpsc.UCalgary.CA (Marc Schroeder) writes: >I'd like to incorporate Kermit into my Flash152 term program. > > 1) Is this possible? It's VERY EASY. Simply put the PD kermit.prg into the directory that FLASH uses for default. To execute it use FLASH's 'ex' command. Example 1: sending a file. HIT INSERT KEY TYPE: ex kermit.prg s myfile Example 2: recieving a file Hit the INSERT KEY TYPE: ex kermit r Kermit is a public domain program. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Suthers, Analyst, Pacific Bell uucp: ?backbone?!pacbell!pbeos!dbsuther ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Youth's a difficult time, and it gets harder the longer you try to draw it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 06:11:43 GMT From: sdcc6!sdcc13!pa1323@ucsd.edu (Some call me...Tim) Subject: MOUSE PROBLEM Message-ID: <5554@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> In article <8912020824.AA28427@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MAXG@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU ("Gerry Greenberg: 315-443-5378") writes: >Well, I'm having a problem that I would have never expected (the cause >of which, I believe, is my daughter's playing one of her favorite >games): it seems that it is hard to get the mouse to recognize button >clicks. ... I had this problem with two different ST mice, and a friend gave me this suggestion (from his own experience): Put several layers of paper between the plastic "arm" of the button and the actual switch. Depending on the seriousness of the problem, different thicknesses of the paper work...but when I did this, the problem completely vanished for several months. (until a "friend" played a game on it REAL hard, and I had to replace the paper--it works again, though). If it doesn't work--well, you can't complain about the cost, right? ----------- Tim Mensch. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 01:45:18 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!hiatus.dec.com!norge.enet.dec.com!chad@decwrl.dec.com (Chad Leigh) Subject: NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac) Message-ID: <1746@hiatus.dec.com> I also use NOTATOR. I have not seen FINALE myself in the flesh. While Notator's print outs look nice (I haven't lasered them yet...), from what I've heard/seen of Finale, it is the much better "music engraving" package. Notator is more of a sequencer that allows pretty nice music notation and score print outs. It is the best in that category. But if your goal is to get the best looking stuff on paper without any realtime music playback and MIDI editing, Finale is the way to go. I base this comment on reviews I've read, my use of Notator, and conversing with people who use Finale and who have described its capabilities, as well as seeing output from Finale. Basically, it is a apples/oranges comparison. Notator is a sequencer and MIDI editor with scoring. Finale is a scoring/engraving package with some MIDI input/MIDI manipulation. Notator is however a great package. Highly recommended!!! Chad DEC has no opinions. ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 89 05:16:24 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!caesar.cs.montana.edu!blake!ramsiri@tut.cis.o hio-state.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) Subject: NOTATOR vs. FINALE (mac) Message-ID: <4749@blake.acs.washington.edu> In article <1746@hiatus.dec.com> chad@norge.enet.dec.com () writes: >I also use NOTATOR. I have not seen FINALE myself in the flesh. While >Notator's print outs look nice (I haven't >lasered them yet...), from what I've heard/seen of Finale, it is the >much better "music engraving" package. This is likely true.. as NOTATOR does not support a great variety of fonts and symbols... BUT.. the update in December and the one coming in Spring will allow imported fonts.. and user defined symbols.. possibly MIDI mapped dynamic symbols!!!!!! >Notator is more of a sequencer that allows pretty nice music notation >and score print outs. It is the >best in that category. But if your goal is to get the best looking >stuff on paper without any realtime music >playback and MIDI editing, Finale is the way to go. I base this comment >on reviews I've read, my use of Notator, >and conversing with people who use Finale and who have described its >capabilities, as well as seeing >output from Finale. > Agreed.. NOTATOR could improve its "engraving quality" look.. and from what the developers tell me, they are doing just that. (Must say that NOTATOR is good enough for two local symphonies for clean and neat performance scores). But a time factor has to enter into the equation.. otherwise you may as well hire an expert copyist. Moving several windows deep and backing yourself out to do an operation that takes only a single click with NOTATOR slows the process down to a crawl. Then there's the printing... an hour for a Finale PS page is prohibitive when you are considering performance scores for a symphony amounting to as many as 1200 pages! But what you say is true.. NOTATOR started out as an awesome sequencer.. then added notation.. fortunately, the developers know the capability of the 68000 and GEM and are doing an amazing job. Several people in the MAC and IBM world say their software, including FINALE, pales in comparison to NOTATOR. The new multi-tasking features of the update coming in December will provide for even a greater creative environment. >Basically, it is a apples/oranges comparison. Notator is a sequencer >and MIDI editor with scoring. Finale is >a scoring/engraving package with some MIDI input/MIDI manipulation. > >Notator is however a great package. Highly recommended!!! > >Chad -kevin ramsiri@blake.acs.washington.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #745 *****************************************